tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6914086676454800973.post4661335198381193411..comments2023-10-29T01:46:00.188-08:00Comments on VeggiePharm: In Search of the Perfect Fiber (Part 4...'ancient' science)Tim Steelehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01611027687223434753noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6914086676454800973.post-60901683292406907282015-01-07T09:06:42.498-09:002015-01-07T09:06:42.498-09:00These posts are fantastic resources, Tim! And you...These posts are fantastic resources, Tim! And your explanations and breakdown are pretty crucial to those who, like me, would tear hair out at trying to read through the source material. *Thank* you!<br /><br />(still Cat - the posting protocol on the website won't let me post under that name tho!)Terrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02149281808695885073noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6914086676454800973.post-91424061762133891062015-01-07T09:03:46.150-09:002015-01-07T09:03:46.150-09:00Dates knock me right on my ass - totally sedating....Dates knock me right on my ass - totally sedating. Prebiotic calming effect that's excessive in me, perhaps? Love it!Terrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02149281808695885073noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6914086676454800973.post-44005342913982832292015-01-06T12:12:59.008-09:002015-01-06T12:12:59.008-09:00I found this
http://www.altmedrev.com/publication...I found this<br /><br />http://www.altmedrev.com/publications/13/4/315.pdf<br /><br />It seems to cover what Tim says above, plus talks about how inulin can vary greatly depending on its source. <br />Wilburnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6914086676454800973.post-39973571061213199532015-01-06T11:46:15.132-09:002015-01-06T11:46:15.132-09:00Gemma and Tim -
The chapter is fascinating. I rem...Gemma and Tim -<br /><br />The chapter is fascinating. I remember Jeff Leach going on about chain length, DP as I understand. How we could all use more long chain inulin found in the tougher parts of plants. Maybe my memory is wrong. <br /><br />But I found this about inulin produced by Orafti<br /><br />http://www.beneo.com/Ingredients/Human_Nutrition/Functional_Fibres/Inulin/<br /><br />They produce inulin of various DP. Their Synergy 1 is 50:50 short and long and appears in studies. It seems to be used in Jarrow<br /><br />http://www.amazon.com/Jarrow-Formulas-Inulin-FructoOligoSaccharides-Powder/dp/B001BAA15C/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1420576932&sr=8-1&keywords=jarrow+inulin+fos<br /><br />The long chain HP version seems to be in Syontix<br /><br />http://www.amazon.com/Syontix-Inulin-Prebiotic-Powder-Ounces/dp/B0087QLB3Y/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1420577078&sr=8-1&keywords=Syontix+inulin<br /><br />I'm doing another experiment...<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Wilburnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6914086676454800973.post-15717179020241493342015-01-06T11:32:45.243-09:002015-01-06T11:32:45.243-09:00Yep, amazing stuff indeed. In one of the older pa...Yep, amazing stuff indeed. In one of the older papers, I found an experiment where they filled a bag with different fatty acids, then connected the bag with a rubber hose up a person's rear-end and watched to see how quickly it could be absorbed, proving that the SCFAs were being utilized in the colon.<br /><br />And even that old 1927 raw starch paper where they pondered the disappearance of some starches, but not others.<br /><br />Just think where we'll be in another 50 years!<br /><br />Tim Steelehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01611027687223434753noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6914086676454800973.post-13751384059817918742015-01-06T11:27:26.623-09:002015-01-06T11:27:26.623-09:00Sorry! That was the wrong teff paper...
Teff St...Sorry! That was the wrong teff paper...<br /><br /><br /><a href="https://www.dropbox.com/s/hps0k420ebmgu8d/Tef%20starch.pdf?dl=0" rel="nofollow">Teff Starch Properties</a><br /><br />It's in here, Table 5. You'll see teff starch compares very closely with rice starch.Tim Steelehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01611027687223434753noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6914086676454800973.post-61103005668589957712015-01-06T11:15:27.736-09:002015-01-06T11:15:27.736-09:00Great stuff, Tim!
I think it's worth pointing...Great stuff, Tim!<br /><br />I think it's worth pointing out that early researchers in the 1940s did, in fact, know that the bacteria were fermenting fibers into fatty acids. It's not like they were clueless about it. It's just that many of them thought it wasn't all that important beyond laxation. But some of the early researchers believed that there was a larger purpose in these fibers and fatty acids being absorbed into the body.<br /><br />For instance, here's a paper from 1942:<br /><br />-----------<br /><a href="http://jn.nutrition.org/content/25/1/59.full.pdf+html" rel="nofollow">Disappearance of Cellulose and Hemi-Cellulose From the Digestive Tracts of Children</a>, by Hummel, et al. (1942)<br /><br />"The question of digestion and utilization of fiber has been studied for many years...The progress of research in this field was reviewed by Mangold ('34) and apparently the fact is established that cellulose and hemicellulose may be broken down to fatty acids and gases by the action of symbiotic microorganisms in the intestine...<br /><br />...McCance and Lawrence ('29), after reviewing the literature, reached the conclusion that the digestion of the complex polysaccharides in man yields products useful only to the bacteria which bring it about, and called these carbohydrates "unavailable," and unimportant in energy value from the standpoint of human nutrition.<br /><br />Although the complex carbohydrates cannot be demonstrated to furnish energy, they undoubtedly have a definite role in the diet of man, from the standpoint of laxation (Cowgill and Anderson, '32; Cowgill and Sullivan, '33). The mode of action of these substances in increasing stool volume is not known; it seems unlikely that they act by virtue of bulk alone, since they can only increase the weight of feces by 2% (Manville, Bradway and McMinis, '36) and the amount of water which they can absorb is limited because they are insoluble. Williams and Olmsted ('36) suggest that it is the amount of cellulose and hemicellulose which disappears during passage through the intestine which influences the volume of feces, and that there also appears to be a relationship between this disappearance and the amount of volatile fatty acid excreted."<br /><br />-----------<br /><br />So, even in 1942, they had the idea that the "symbiotic" bacteria were fermenting unavailable carbohydrates and fibers in our intestines and producing fatty acids that were being absorbed into the body. It just took 30 years for the research to be refined to a more concrete hypothesis!<br /><br />Pretty cool, huh?Duck Dodgersnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6914086676454800973.post-28706379805211578052015-01-06T10:27:01.365-09:002015-01-06T10:27:01.365-09:00Maybe I am missing it, but I don't see anythin...Maybe I am missing it, but I don't see anything here that says there is about the same RS as rice. Was this where you got that information?<br /><br />But the fact that, because it is a small grain, it has a higher proportion of bran is interesting to me in light of my recent positive response to psyllium huskselliebellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15647947387802335253noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6914086676454800973.post-46035135611499016002015-01-06T09:53:45.867-09:002015-01-06T09:53:45.867-09:00Teff Nutrient Composition
All you ever wanted to ...<a href="http://www.ifpri.org/sites/default/files/publications/esspwp67.pdf" rel="nofollow">Teff Nutrient Composition</a><br /><br />All you ever wanted to know! Hattip Gemma!<br /><br /><br />Tim Steelehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01611027687223434753noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6914086676454800973.post-34883815465196085282015-01-06T09:01:30.463-09:002015-01-06T09:01:30.463-09:00Tim, any idea of the other fibers in Teff? It see...Tim, any idea of the other fibers in Teff? It seems so much more satiating to me than oatmeal.elliebellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15647947387802335253noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6914086676454800973.post-43655209787779045722015-01-06T08:52:13.221-09:002015-01-06T08:52:13.221-09:00@Wilbur
Here some 20 pages on inulin (p. 335), en...@Wilbur<br /><br />Here some 20 pages on inulin (p. 335), enjoy!<br /><br /><a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=A-AiYsGTd38C" rel="nofollow">Food Polysaccharides and Their Applications</a> (2014)<br /><br /><br />Gemmahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18051515271519007652noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6914086676454800973.post-30016238228884961002015-01-06T08:44:13.923-09:002015-01-06T08:44:13.923-09:00Now I seem to have a bunch of questions! I have a...Now I seem to have a bunch of questions! I have a bottle of Now Nutraflora FOS and a bottle of Now inulin. In principle, they should be different? Jarrow has inulin/fos, which seems to be Orafi Synergy 1, a 50:50 mix of short and long chain inulin and oligofructose. The company describes it as enriched inulin. Is it (basically) the same as equal parts Nuraflora FOS and inulin?<br /><br />Do FOS and inulin have a fixed ratio in nature, or does it vary? Would its variance maybe explain why I can eat onions and garlic in very large quantities, but not Jerusalem artichoke and yacon root?<br /><br />I'm not expecting you to do research for me, but if you have an idea of research that uses good terminology, I'd appreciate it! <br /><br />Like many areas of research, that of most important fiber gets bogged down in inconsistent terminology. Look at finance: "efficient markets" , it's most important and oft-used term, means about 200 things, 199 of them different from the original!Wilburnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6914086676454800973.post-5433006406774265192015-01-06T07:54:45.254-09:002015-01-06T07:54:45.254-09:00@Gemma - Funny, I just bought a bag of dates to pu...@Gemma - Funny, I just bought a bag of dates to put in Teff porridge along with honey and molasses. Teff is amazing, though not very high in RS as many seem to claim, it has the same RS as rice, but who cares? So Teff with dates...talk about a superfood!<br /><br />@Wilbur - What confused me most as I've been researching fibers for the past couple years is lack of standardization in the terminology. Inulin, FOS, inulin-like fructans, fructooloigosaccharides, are all used interchangeably. But inulin and FOS are two completely different things. It seems in nature, inulin and FOS are always packaged together, like amylose and amylopectin, and have to be mechanically/chemically separated to make pure inulin or pure FOS. Tim Steelehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01611027687223434753noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6914086676454800973.post-68679287564951027532015-01-06T07:30:54.540-09:002015-01-06T07:30:54.540-09:00Very nice post, Tim! It really helps to see how t...Very nice post, Tim! It really helps to see how things are organized and how the knowledge has evolved/changed. Wilburnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6914086676454800973.post-35617802692421124352015-01-06T05:00:40.598-09:002015-01-06T05:00:40.598-09:00Wow, my favourite fruit - dates - contain beta glu...Wow, my favourite fruit - dates - contain beta glucans, both soluble and insoluble types?<br /><br /><a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3992385/" rel="nofollow">Therapeutic effects of date fruits (Phoenix dactylifera) in the prevention of diseases via modulation of anti-inflammatory, anti-oxidant and anti-tumour activity</a> 2014Gemmahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18051515271519007652noreply@blogger.com